Fluid Frame ?

[VisuaLies]

Please explain Fluid Frame contra Frameblending.

Kasper

[Julia Foest]

Dear Kasper,

the FluidFrame technologie, that is included from Pandoras Box Version 4.7 on, is an enhanced frameblending with additional features:

The FluidFrame Technology enables you to realize a smooth cross-conversion that can take any input and output framerate, supporting both interlaced and progressive sources and clips. An example for this: a video (live video input or video played inside PB) with 59.94 fps will be displayed without any frame drop on 60 Hz monitors/projectors. It can therefore also handle 50hz to 60hz realtime conversions.

A smooth playback of highspeed framerates such as 50 or 60p content and higher is possible now as well.

With FluidFrame you can handle several input signals and videos with different framerates, even a synchronisation of multiple HD SDI streams for Live Stereo 3D applications is possible.

Best regards,
Julia

[VisuaLies]

Hi Julia

That all sounds great.

I seem to be missing the frameblending, that makes it possible to slow a videoclip into smooth slowmotion.
FluidFrame does not do that...?

Regards
-Kasper

[Julia Foest]

Hi Kasper,

of course it does! I just described the additional features.

Best regards,
Julia

[VisuaLies]

I'm sorry, but no it doesn't.

Try showing a video in version 4621 or earlier, check frameblending, pull the speed all the way down. You will have a super smooth slowmotion.

Do the same in 4656, check FluidFrame. A very different result with no smoothing at all.


-Kasper
Playerpro on a test-PC, GeForce 8500 GT

[Julia Foest]

Hi Kasper,

I'm sorry, I can't see a magnificent difference between the frameblending and fluidframe.
But we will take care about this issue and will do further testing.

Thanks for the hint!
Best regards,
Julia

[lucken]

i tried here with different types of videos and fluid frame seems to do the same as frameblending, i see no problem

[VisuaLies]

Stange, am I the only one experiencing this?

Take a videoclip with a lot of action. Play it, pull the speed down to 0, about 2 frames per second.
With no frameblending/FluidFrame, the output changes every ½ second.

v4.6 4621: Turn on frameblending, Pandora then blends every frame to do a beautiful slowmotion. Output changes every frame.

v4.7 4656: Turn on FluidFrame, it looks like the output changes every ½ second. Mayby Pandora makes one or two frameblends.

When testing, remember to set speed all the way down to 0.


Hope this helps, I use slowmotion a lot.

Kasper

[lucken]

maybe it is better that you place a link to the movie that you are playing. On ly site it works fine with speed at zero.

[VisuaLies]

I get different results with different filetypes, quicktime seems to work, dv-avi and mp2 have problems.

I will do more tests on a "adult" machine and with different filetypes in sizes suitable for uploads/emails.

I'll get back on this

-Kasper

[Patrick Verhey]

Hi Kasper,

what kind of Hradware are you using?

The Fluid Frame takes more performance than the frameblending. So maybe your CPU and Grafik Card are on their limits while slowing down a clip. That way the playpack will jitter caused by performance problems.

Basically the Fluid Frame is a enhanced Frameblending. So it will still do the Framblending and some more things. We experienced that the Fluid Frame will make the slow motion palyback even smoother. But it needs more performance.

best regards

Patrick

[VisuaLies]

OK, right now i'm testing on an office machine. I will test soon on my touring systems.



Thanks

[JustynR]

I haven't tried it on any inputs, but so far it is working the same as frame blend for me.

I am looking forward to trying it on an SDI capture card

[VisuaLies]

OK, it just needed an adult PC

Everything is fine on my touring systems, the office PC couldn´t do it.

..thanks.

-Kasper

[Patrick Verhey]

Hi Kasper,

you should get a new office PC then....

But good to hear that all is working, thanks.

regards

Patrick